At first glance, I’m sure most of
you will chuckle at the name of this article.
You can throw names like Seaver, Spahn, Gibson, Pedro or Maddux at me, and
if you look at some basic stats you may be right to think those guys are better. We can discuss the ole “different game,
different era” discussion until the next time Omar Infante walks twice in a
game (spoiler alert, you’ll be waiting a very long time, 258 games and counting).
However, we will never really see how Walter
Johnson or Spahn or Whitey Ford would do today, just like we will never be able
to see how Pujols, Trout or Miggy would do against Jack Coombs, Chief Bender
and the rest of the ridiculous 1910 Philadelphia Athletics rotation.
So with any historical analysis,
we need a few rules and a few caveats.
First, I opted to look at all pitchers from 1920 forward. The “Ruthian” era is always a decent place
to start in my mind. Second, I’ve
chosen to use some basic statistical analyses because even though I actually do
have an M.B.A., using layered in-depth regression statistical reviews…. well,
it loses something for the reader and it’s just not fun. And we all know…. this is supposed to be
fun. There have been some brilliant
baseball articles that I’ve read which have lock-down conclusions based upon
calculus-driven mathematical formulae; and even though I may understand about
80% of how the analysis was performed by the time I get to the end I simply no
longer care about the results. I take
my hat off to those widely intelligent well-researched articles, but heck at
the end of the way I want to simply enjoy reading why Richie Ashburn was a
better defensive outfielder than Ken Griffey, Jr., or vice-versa.
I also have to
start this piece by ‘once-again’ giving great praise to my baseball chatting
partner and all around awesome dude Earl (@verdantdude), founder and my co-host
of our (sort of) weekly podcast “Just Talking to the Cornfield” (http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=95365&cmd=tc) . You see, Earl and I have these random
debates about once every two months, and he’s got about a .950 batting average
against me, and it may even be higher than that. But one debate that he completely railed me
on was ‘Who will have a better career, Clayton Kershaw or Tim Lincecum.” Guess which dill-hole picked Lincecum. For all the time I have studied and read
about baseball, I just have it locked in my head that righties have an
advantage over left-handers. Perhaps I
looked at the development, or lack thereof, in the careers of Barry Zito,
Fernando Valenzuela, or Brooklyn’s own “High Times-magazine poster-boy” John
Candelaria. Each of these guys careers
flat-lined in the mid-to-late 20’s, and while there are many others, and a
whole slew of right-handers as well, it’s just my own perception that lefties
get ‘figured-out’, or they lose their best pitch and don’t have the secondary
arsenal to continue their success. I
appear to have mistakenly put Kershaw in with that group. While he’s still far too young to make a
real conclusion, the results thus far are awesome. No, they are better than that, they are FUN.
To do my basic
review, I opted to use a few simple statistics. ERA+, WHIP, K/9Inn and some things I
calculated myself (ut oh!!), HR+, WHIP+ and K+ (will explain later). I also chose to try and be fair by only
looking at starting pitchers cumulative statistics prior to reaching the age of
30. Here’s why. If I run a Play-Index query on Sean Forman’s
awesome site www.Baseball-Reference.com (respect), and for all Starting
Pitchers who after the age of 30 pitched 500 innings, had ERA+ greater than 130
and WHIP’s less than 1.20 you will get a handful of names (Spud Chandler, Randy
Johnson, Kevin Brown and the always underrated John Tudor). However, if you do the same query for
pitchers under the age of 30, none of those guys make the list. Schilling, Kevin Brown, Tudor and even the
Big Unit were remarkably better after the age of the 30 than before. So why exclude them?? Well, the point is that Kershaw is on such
an amazing pace that it’s FUN to imagine him becoming the best of the bunch.
Let’s go to the
other side of the coin and look at pitchers who achieved those stats prior to
the age of 26. Well, now you have names
like Seaver, Blyleven, Pedro, Clemens, Lon Warneke, Kershaw, and hey
lookie-there, Tim Lincecum. Obviously
many of these guys went on to Hall of Fame Careers, but at the same point in
their careers, was Kershaw better; or in other words…. will Kershaw be better??!!
There is no
completely fair way to do a comparison.
I can’t simply compare Kershaw’s to how these guys performed before or
after age 25, so rather what I will do is take these guys and lock their stats
at the season in their career when they passed the 1,000 inning barrier, as
Kershaw just has. I have a lot of
faith in two basic statistics to pare down the otherwise massive list of
pitchers to review, ERA+ and WHIP.
WHIP is easier to explain, as it’s simply Walks + Hits divided by
Innings pitched. It makes sense to
review pitchers who control the amount of runners that simply get on base
against them. Yet WHIP is not the
only true measure of quality, because a player can have a low WHIP but give up
a great deal of home runs. Josh
“Control” Towers was a pitcher who had a very good ratio of 1.5 BB’s per 9
innings, but his control was so good it rarely fooled hitters, and he ended up
his career giving up a 1.5 Home Runs per 9 innings. Pretty awful stuff.
One of my
favorite stats is ERA+, but it’s better explain by “The Hardball Times” than by
myself:
ERA+ is ERA measured against the league average, and adjusted for
ballpark factors. An ERA+ over 100 is better than average, less than 100 is
below average. The specific formula divides the league ERA by the pitcher's ERA
(and adjusts for ballpark). So an ERA+ of 125, for instance, means that the
league ERA was 25% higher than the pitcher's ERA (which means that the
pitcher's ERA was 80% of the league ERA)
For my analysis,
I used the same theory and calculated WHIP+, K+ and HR+ as way to determine who
each pitcher on my list compared to the average pitcher in his league, per
year. As an example, for Orel Hershiser
I would benchmark his stats versus the average National Leaguer in
1983-1988. The reason I chose to use
these stats is to attempt to have a truer comparison. For example, Lefty Grove gave up 0.29 HR per
9 innings, while King Felix gives up 0.76.
However, in Grove’s first ‘1000-innings’, the entire league gave up 0.40
HR/9 Inning compared to Felix’s seasons in which the league’s pitchers gave up
1.05; so Lefty’s HR+ is 136 while Felix Hernandez came in at a better score of
139. In other words, while Felix gives
up more home runs per 9 innings than Grove, Felix Hernandez is better than Grove compared
to the league when each pitcher pitched.
Thus, the list of
pitchers, who since 1920 had an ERA+ of 130 or more, and a WHIP of less than
1.20, and 1,000 innings before their 31st birthday are:
Carl Hubbell, Tex
Hughson, Sandy Koufax, Gary Peters, Juan Marichal, Wilbur Wood, Jim Palmer, Tom
Seaver, Ron Guidry, Orel Hershiser, Roger Clemens, Mike Mussina, Pedro Martinez,
Johan Santana, Roy Oswalt and of course
Clayton Kershaw
Pretty
impressive, and as you can see, the list does capture most of the greatest
pitchers of the last 40 years. And keep
in mind, even though names like Feller, Randy Johnson & Bob Gibson are
missing from this list, the theme of this article is weather Kershaw is on his
way to being the best pitcher in (modern) history. One of the best ways to win that title is
getting a good head start.
Just as a side
note, I was sort of astounded at the lack of pitchers from my query who pitched
between 1920 and 1960, so I did a quick review of all of those pitchers who
earned 200 wins in that span. That’s
when names like Waite Hoyt, Spahn and Bob Lemon showed up, but what was more
eye-opening was how each of their ERA+ were all below 130. Just seems that even though there were
pitchers with a lot of longevity and wins, very few distinguished themselves in
that specific 40-year era. Two names
did pop up next to Carl Hubbell’s in the ERA+ >130 crowd, Hal Newhouser and
Lefty Grove. Newhouser simply walked
too many people in his career, and even though he had two stellar seasons in
the 40’s it just wasn’t enough to push him onto the list. Lefty Grove however missed the WHIP
category, as did Whitey Ford and Brandon Webb, but their ERA+ were so
outstanding (145, 140 and 142 respectively) so I had to add them. Finally, even though it breaks from the
criteria I set, I simply had to add Bob Gibson, Randy Johnson, King Felix, Adam
Wainwright and Verlander, just ‘cause as my friend would say, they’re
‘sofukingood’.
On the surface,
it’s clear to say that pitchers like Wilbur Wood and Gary Peters can not
logically be considered to be the greatest pitchers in the last 100 years, but
as they made the cut I will include them for FUN. Thus, here is the final tally, using the
stats I opted to use:
All players, careers to date up to
seasons in which they crossed the “1,000 inning barrier”:
Player
|
ERA
|
HR/9
|
K/9
|
WHIP
|
Clemens
|
3.05
|
0.66
|
8.60
|
1.12
|
Johan
|
3.20
|
0.92
|
9.48
|
1.10
|
Kershaw
|
2.72
|
0.58
|
9.23
|
1.12
|
Pedro
|
2.98
|
0.77
|
9.61
|
1.10
|
Guidry
|
2.74
|
0.63
|
7.56
|
1.13
|
Grove
|
3.09
|
0.29
|
6.01
|
1.31
|
Oswalt
|
3.05
|
0.74
|
7.62
|
1.18
|
Webb
|
3.23
|
0.64
|
7.28
|
1.25
|
Gary Peters
|
2.51
|
0.57
|
6.49
|
1.13
|
King Felix
|
3.20
|
0.76
|
8.13
|
1.23
|
Seaver
|
2.50
|
0.65
|
7.14
|
1.07
|
Ford
|
2.73
|
0.56
|
5.11
|
1.27
|
Orel
|
2.77
|
0.50
|
6.25
|
1.14
|
Hubbell
|
3.13
|
0.53
|
4.26
|
1.18
|
Wilbur
|
2.68
|
0.61
|
5.17
|
1.17
|
Hughson
|
2.67
|
0.45
|
4.40
|
1.14
|
Wainwright
|
3.16
|
0.66
|
7.62
|
1.21
|
Gibson
|
3.33
|
0.65
|
7.38
|
1.30
|
Mussina
|
3.57
|
0.93
|
6.02
|
1.18
|
Verlander
|
3.81
|
0.80
|
8.17
|
1.26
|
Marichal
|
2.91
|
0.87
|
6.35
|
1.12
|
Randy Johnson
|
3.92
|
0.77
|
9.18
|
1.38
|
Palmer
|
2.88
|
0.68
|
6.05
|
1.21
|
Maddux
|
3.61
|
0.58
|
5.66
|
1.31
|
And the calculations and ranking:
Rank
|
Rank
|
Rank
|
Rank
|
|||||||
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
Sum
|
|
Clemens
|
145
|
150
|
155
|
123
|
7
|
6
|
4
|
3
|
20
|
|
Johan
|
152
|
123
|
151
|
128
|
2
|
15
|
5
|
1
|
23
|
|
Kershaw
|
147
|
165
|
126
|
119
|
5
|
2
|
9
|
9
|
25
|
|
Pedro
|
153
|
122
|
150
|
124
|
1
|
16
|
6
|
2
|
25
|
|
Guidry
|
149
|
122
|
161
|
120
|
4
|
17
|
3
|
8
|
32
|
|
Grove
|
142
|
136
|
212
|
112
|
10
|
11
|
1
|
17
|
39
|
|
Oswalt
|
145
|
147
|
113
|
117
|
8
|
7
|
16
|
10
|
41
|
|
Webb
|
145
|
166
|
109
|
112
|
6
|
1
|
19
|
18
|
44
|
|
Gary Peters
|
136
|
157
|
116
|
115
|
14
|
3
|
15
|
13
|
45
|
|
King Felix
|
141
|
139
|
124
|
113
|
11
|
9
|
11
|
16
|
47
|
|
Seaver
|
142
|
111
|
121
|
120
|
9
|
19
|
13
|
7
|
48
|
|
Ford
|
139
|
139
|
122
|
113
|
12
|
10
|
12
|
14
|
48
|
|
Orel
|
135
|
151
|
109
|
115
|
15
|
4
|
18
|
12
|
49
|
|
Hubbell
|
134
|
101
|
140
|
123
|
18
|
22
|
7
|
4
|
51
|
|
Wilbur
|
149
|
143
|
90
|
110
|
3
|
8
|
24
|
19
|
54
|
|
Hughson
|
136
|
101
|
120
|
120
|
13
|
23
|
14
|
6
|
56
|
|
Wainwright
|
135
|
151
|
108
|
113
|
16
|
5
|
20
|
15
|
56
|
|
Gibson
|
125
|
133
|
132
|
101
|
20
|
13
|
8
|
22
|
63
|
|
Mussina
|
134
|
108
|
102
|
121
|
17
|
20
|
22
|
5
|
64
|
|
Verlander
|
119
|
132
|
124
|
110
|
22
|
14
|
10
|
20
|
66
|
|
Marichal
|
125
|
99
|
113
|
117
|
19
|
24
|
17
|
11
|
71
|
|
Randy Johnson
|
107
|
104
|
163
|
98
|
24
|
21
|
2
|
24
|
71
|
|
Palmer
|
124
|
118
|
105
|
106
|
21
|
18
|
21
|
21
|
81
|
|
Maddux
|
112
|
133
|
96
|
100
|
23
|
12
|
23
|
23
|
81
|
Just to keep things simple, I
merely added up the rankings of each player and then added up the net
unweighted rankings to come up with a total.
ERA+ may be more important (or should be weighted more) than HR+, but
let’s just keep it basic for now.
The first thing that will jump
out is how Randy Johnson, Jim Palmer and Greg Maddux are at the bottom of this
listing. Yeah sure, 926 career wins
and 10,458 career strikeouts….from the BOTTOM 3 on this list. However, before I lose you, please recall
once again that this article is about whether Kershaw is on his way to be the
best pitcher in the last 100 years, and the fact is that compared to their
contemporaries, these 3 folks, in their first 1,000 innings were not better
than the guys at the top of the list. And
clearly you can see Kershaw is way high on the list. He and Clemens are the only pitchers who
earned a top-10 in all four categories, and admittedly Clemens does have better
numbers. Guidry being so high on the list shocked the
heck out of me. My next step is to look
at the top 5, in 1000 inning career increments. Since Guidry’s career leveled out, I am
expanding this to the top 6, to include ole Lefty Grove. I am also going to include Maddux and Randy
Johnson, as their career numbers combined with their longevity was
astounding.
The results:
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Kershaw
|
147
|
165
|
126
|
119
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Clemens1
|
145
|
150
|
155
|
123
|
|
Clemens2
|
169
|
173
|
144
|
123
|
Peak
|
Clemens3
|
157
|
161
|
147
|
120
|
|
Clemens4
|
130
|
138
|
143
|
112
|
|
Clemens5
|
159
|
151
|
124
|
122
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Grove1
|
142
|
136
|
212
|
112
|
|
Grove2
|
187
|
177
|
177
|
131
|
|
Grove3
|
154
|
150
|
121
|
118
|
|
Grove4
|
147
|
129
|
122
|
112
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Guidry1
|
149
|
122
|
161
|
120
|
|
Guidry2
|
108
|
93
|
114
|
112
|
|
Guidry3
|
108
|
83
|
114
|
109
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Johan1
|
152
|
123
|
151
|
128
|
|
Johan2
|
133
|
78
|
136
|
97
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Maddux1
|
112
|
133
|
96
|
100
|
|
Maddux2
|
210
|
279
|
113
|
142
|
Peak
|
Maddux3
|
167
|
220
|
96
|
130
|
|
Maddux4
|
136
|
124
|
91
|
122
|
|
Maddux5
|
106
|
120
|
76
|
114
|
|
Maddux6
|
92
|
102
|
65
|
115
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Pedro1
|
153
|
122
|
150
|
124
|
|
Pedro2
|
232
|
231
|
186
|
158
|
Peak
|
Pedro3
|
120
|
97
|
130
|
119
|
|
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
|
Randy Johnson1
|
107
|
104
|
163
|
98
|
|
Randy Johnson2
|
167
|
146
|
192
|
131
|
|
Randy Johnson3
|
183
|
133
|
187
|
131
|
Peak
|
Randy Johnson4
|
143
|
105
|
148
|
126
|
|
Randy Johnson5
|
110
|
75
|
128
|
111
|
|
Conclusions:
I have to admit, Clemens first
1,000 innings were superior to Kershaw.
I would even go so far as to say Johan Santana’s were better as
well. However, Johan and Guidry’s careers
did not continue near the pace that they started. Grove’s strikeout levels declined greatly
from his meteoric start, and while his WHIP+ declined towards the end of his
career, his ERA+ continued to be tremendous.
Maddux and Randy Johnson had amazing career numbers, and while they
declined greatly (in comparison) at the end of their careers, they played so
long that it’s unfair to penalize them for their last 1,000-1,500 inning
performance. However, as with Grove, Kershaw’s
first 1,000 innings were better, so without the true benefit of knowing how
Kershaw’s next 1,000 will go, it could be said that his career MAY end up
better than either of those 3.
So that’s leaves two, Clemens and
Pedro. Clemens K+, ERA+, WHIP+
figures were solid wire-to-wire. I
could very easily conclude that he was the best pitcher of the last 100
years. However….. I have a concern as
to how much was Clemens and how much was ‘a little help from my friends.’ Thus,
I simply can’t conclude that even though his first 1,000 were stronger, that he
was completely on the level for the next 1,000, or 2,000 etc.
And therefore, that leaves Pedro
vs. Kershaw. I happen to think it’s
going to be impossible for a pitcher to achieve Pedro’s numbers over a 1,000
inning span again. In the post-steroid
ERA, Kershaw would need to have a National League ERA of around 1.70 for 5
years, and that’s only been done 5 times in all of MLB since 1970, albeit twice
by Maddux in his peak era. But Pedro’s
3rd 1,000 inning era was not tremendous by comparison. Thus, if Kershaw simply maintains close to
his current pace, considering how great his start was, he could possibly
surpass Pedro’s career numbers in 10 years.
But let’s have some fun and project the following based upon the average
decline, or trend of the 7 other pitchers reviewed above, excluding the two
peaks by Maddux and Pedro.
Player
|
ERA+
|
HR+
|
K+
|
WHIP+
|
Kershaw
|
147
|
165
|
126
|
119
|
Average 1k-2k
|
153
|
133
|
152
|
119
|
Average 2k-3k
|
148
|
141
|
133
|
121
|
Randy Johnson’s massive K+ total
throws that comparison out of whack, but the ERA+ and WHIP+ of the remaining ‘greats’
show that Kershaw is indeed on pace to be the greatest pitcher in the last 100
years. But let me reiterate again,
Maddux and Pedro’s peaks were better, but Kershaw’s first 1,000 innings were better. Thus, if Kershaw merely continues his pace,
or heaven-forbid, has a ‘peak’ like Maddux and Pedro did during his second
1,000 innings, it would be hard to argue against him being the best pitcher in
last 100 years.
ENJOY!!
@JtttcColonel
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http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=95365&cmd=tc
Kershaw's first five years:
ReplyDelete149 GS, 61-37, 2.79 ERA, 138 ERA+, 62 HR, 2.86 K/BB
Doc Gooden's first five years:
158 GS, 91-35, 2.62 ERA, 134 ERA+, 56 HR, 3.21 K/BB
One never knows, do one?